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Claire Admin
Posts : 305 Join date : 2009-08-02 Age : 66 Location : Switzerland Function, chapter, country : Claire Pavia, President of Swiss Betta Club (SBC), Switzerland
| Subject: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:56 pm | |
| Last year's points were counted and double-checked by Eugenio and myself. This really needs to be done by 2 different people. I really hate numbers, and I'm sure there are some others who will do this much better than me. So, I'm asking for 2 volunteers to keep track of the points from each show, and count the totals for next Area2 Convention. Please ? | |
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joker
Posts : 96 Join date : 2013-03-05 Age : 52 Function, chapter, country : Josip Kevari, Contact person, Betta Svijet, Croatia
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:57 pm | |
| I like numbers! I'm not by chance a banker. So I volunteer! PS: After coming home I noticed that you wrote on the awards for last year 2014/2015 show year. But our show year is now January-December. So the awards should have been 2014 only, right? | |
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Claire Admin
Posts : 305 Join date : 2009-08-02 Age : 66 Location : Switzerland Function, chapter, country : Claire Pavia, President of Swiss Betta Club (SBC), Switzerland
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:14 pm | |
| - joker wrote:
- I like numbers! I'm not by chance a banker.
So I volunteer! thank you SO much !!! - Quote :
- PS: After coming home I noticed that you wrote on the awards for last year 2014/2015 show year. But our show year is now January-December. So the awards should have been 2014 only, right?
I'm always confused by this...Peter should know... | |
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joker
Posts : 96 Join date : 2013-03-05 Age : 52 Function, chapter, country : Josip Kevari, Contact person, Betta Svijet, Croatia
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:34 pm | |
| Is the point system the same as stated in the IBC Exhibition Standards (page 6-7)?
So, as soon as the results for the Area 2 Convention are available I'll start the statistics.
Are these to be made public (as in the US) or only made available at the end of the year? And only breeders from Area 2 are entitled now to receive points for our Area 2 Grand Champion, right?
And beside me, who will be the second person keeping records of the points? So that we can align. | |
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joker
Posts : 96 Join date : 2013-03-05 Age : 52 Function, chapter, country : Josip Kevari, Contact person, Betta Svijet, Croatia
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:18 am | |
| Hi, Please find below the points summary from Friedrichshafen. Points Breeder 455 Joep van Esch 315 Josip Kevari 240 Jolanda Schar 220 Julia Zilken 220 Marina Monarchon 155 Thomas Kren 150 Eugenio Fornasiero 145 Ines Borgolte 145 Michel Stokkelaar 115 Jamie King 115 Josef Kanok 90 Bettina Sperl 65 Alexandra Breton 65 Kristian Draganovic 60 David Bastiaensen 40 Frantisek Baier 40 Jean-Michel Jeannerat 40 Rainer Winter 30 Liviu Dumitrescu 30 Nick in het Veld 25 Andrej Tihomirovic 20 Jolanda Wisseborn 15 Mathias Polzin 15 Mihai-Gigi Sirbu 10 Marco Graf 10 Nicole Bergande 0 Edith Wehrli 0 Daniel Dekanek 0 Pierluca Zampardi 0 Andrea Queirolo 0 Gastone Tomei 0 Christian Filbig 0 Roberto Silverii
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Please note that the points for the art categories were also included. I think this should be the case as they are valid classes as well. I've also included those breeders that are on the participants list but didn't win any prizes. Just to make sure that we keep track on all breeders. This will also help to monitor the NB registrations. Congratulations to all winner and lets see how the ranking will develop. Josip
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disabrina
Posts : 36 Join date : 2012-12-13 Age : 31 Location : Switzerland & USA Function, chapter, country : Sabrina Dichne, Judging Board member, Switzerland & USA
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:19 pm | |
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Claire Admin
Posts : 305 Join date : 2009-08-02 Age : 66 Location : Switzerland Function, chapter, country : Claire Pavia, President of Swiss Betta Club (SBC), Switzerland
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:37 pm | |
| - joker wrote:
- Is the point system the same as stated in the IBC Exhibition Standards (page 6-7)?
YES. Just be aware of the differences, depending if a show is Convention, International or District. - Quote :
So, as soon as the results for the Area 2 Convention are available I'll start the statistics. It's certainly much easier to keep track from the first show on, than counting all at the end, like Eugenio an I did for 2014. - Quote :
- Are these to be made public (as in the US) or only made available at the end of the year?
I see no reason why not. - Quote :
- And only breeders from Area 2 are entitled now to receive points for our Area 2 Grand Champion, right?
Right ! - Quote :
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beside me, who will be the second person keeping records of the points? So that we can align. We are waiting for a second volunteer... - Quote :
- Please note that the points for the art categories were also included. I think this should be the case as they are valid classes as well.
NO they are NOT supposd to ! - Quote :
- I've also included those breeders that are on the participants list but didn't win any prizes. Just to make sure that we keep track on all breeders. This will also help to monitor the NB registrations.
Great idea ! | |
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joker
Posts : 96 Join date : 2013-03-05 Age : 52 Function, chapter, country : Josip Kevari, Contact person, Betta Svijet, Croatia
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:12 pm | |
| - Claire wrote:
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- Are these to be made public (as in the US) or only made available at the end of the year?
I see no reason why not. Ok. So beside publishing them here, anywhere else they should be published? - Claire wrote:
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- Please note that the points for the art categories were also included. I think this should be the case as they are valid classes as well.
NO they are NOT supposd to !
Why not? They are regular classes (G1, G2 and G3), same as the others but just with another "content". We do give 1st, 2nd and 3rd places, so why are they being treated differently? In my opinion, if you have them at the show we should also include them for the points. You are not eliminating or disregarding the points for NB classes or classes from the Breeders Division either. And I didn't see anywhere in the Standard that they are not supposed to be counted. | |
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Claire Admin
Posts : 305 Join date : 2009-08-02 Age : 66 Location : Switzerland Function, chapter, country : Claire Pavia, President of Swiss Betta Club (SBC), Switzerland
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:02 pm | |
| Concerning classes G1, G2 and G3, Standards, chapter 9, page 3: - Quote :
- None of the Optional classes compete for Best of Show
Awards, IBC points or the end-of-year awards. This doesn't shock me, as the IBC is primarily about "the betterment of Bettas", breeding and showing fish. | |
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joker
Posts : 96 Join date : 2013-03-05 Age : 52 Function, chapter, country : Josip Kevari, Contact person, Betta Svijet, Croatia
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:16 pm | |
| - Claire wrote:
- Concerning classes G1, G2 and G3, Standards, chapter 9, page 3:
- Quote :
- None of the Optional classes compete for Best of Show
Awards, IBC points or the end-of-year awards. This doesn't shock me, as the IBC is primarily about "the betterment of Bettas", breeding and showing fish.
OK. Then I'll delete them from the points lists. | |
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Claire Admin
Posts : 305 Join date : 2009-08-02 Age : 66 Location : Switzerland Function, chapter, country : Claire Pavia, President of Swiss Betta Club (SBC), Switzerland
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:10 pm | |
| - joker wrote:
- Ok. So beside publishing them here, anywhere else they should be published?
It should be sent to flareeditor@ibcbettas.orgI'll post it on my forum. Our Chapters can post it on their websites if they want to. Maybe in the Area2 Facebook and/or IBC Facebook groups ? | |
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Peter Bärwald
Posts : 170 Join date : 2011-01-19 Age : 51 Location : Germany Function, chapter, country : contact person, Kampffischfreunde (KFF), Germany
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:55 pm | |
| - joker wrote:
- Hi,
Please find below the points summary from Friedrichshafen.
Points Breeder 455 Joep van Esch 315 Josip Kevari 240 Jolanda Schar 220 Julia Zilken 220 Marina Monarchon 155 Thomas Kren 150 Eugenio Fornasiero 145 Ines Borgolte 145 Michel Stokkelaar 115 Jamie King 115 Josef Kanok 90 Bettina Sperl 65 Alexandra Breton 65 Kristian Draganovic 60 David Bastiaensen 40 Frantisek Baier 40 Jean-Michel Jeannerat 40 Rainer Winter 30 Liviu Dumitrescu 30 Nick in het Veld 25 Andrej Tihomirovic 20 Jolanda Wisseborn 15 Mathias Polzin 15 Mihai-Gigi Sirbu 10 Marco Graf 10 Nicole Bergande 0 Edith Wehrli 0 Daniel Dekanek 0 Pierluca Zampardi 0 Andrea Queirolo 0 Gastone Tomei 0 Christian Filbig 0 Roberto Silverii
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Please note that the points for the art categories were also included. I think this should be the case as they are valid classes as well.
I've also included those breeders that are on the participants list but didn't win any prizes. Just to make sure that we keep track on all breeders. This will also help to monitor the NB registrations.
Congratulations to all winner and lets see how the ranking will develop.
Josip The Red ones are Newbreeder. Please do not mix Newbreeder with Regular. Newbreeder must have an own list. @Claire Next Year we will start to give Newbreeder Year-End-Awards the first time, but only a certificate. | |
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joker
Posts : 96 Join date : 2013-03-05 Age : 52 Function, chapter, country : Josip Kevari, Contact person, Betta Svijet, Croatia
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:29 am | |
| - Peter Bärwald wrote:
- Please do not mix Newbreeder with Regular. Newbreeder must have an own list.
Ok. Let's then separate these two lists: Regular breeders: Points Breeder 455 Joep van Esch 315 Josip Kevari 240 Jolanda Schar 220 Julia Zilken 155 Thomas Kren 150 Eugenio Fornasiero 145 Michel Stokkelaar 115 Jamie King 115 Josef Kanok 65 Alexandra Breton 65 Kristian Draganovic 60 David Bastiaensen 40 Frantisek Baier 40 Jean-Michel Jeannerat 40 Rainer Winter 30 Liviu Dumitrescu 25 Andrej Tihomirovic 20 Jolanda Wisseborn 15 Mathias Polzin 15 Andrea Queirolo 0 Daniel Dekanek 0 Pierluca Zampardi 0 Mihai-Gigi Sirbu 0 Gastone Tomei 0 Christian Filbig 0 Roberto Silverii
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New Breeders Points Breeder 220 Marina Monarchon 145 Ines Borgolte 90 Bettina Sperl 30 Nick in het Veld 10 Marco Graf 10 Nicole Bergande 0 Edith Wehrli
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joker
Posts : 96 Join date : 2013-03-05 Age : 52 Function, chapter, country : Josip Kevari, Contact person, Betta Svijet, Croatia
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:45 pm | |
| As there was a change in the show-results table, I had to adjust the points (in the list stated in the previous post) as well. So I hope that it is final now.
And what about the second volunteer? Anybody? It would be good to have 2 separate lists so that we eliminate potential errors. | |
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Peter Bärwald
Posts : 170 Join date : 2011-01-19 Age : 51 Location : Germany Function, chapter, country : contact person, Kampffischfreunde (KFF), Germany
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Thu Mar 26, 2015 6:13 pm | |
| I am not sure, but for the last list Eugenio was the volunteer. Maybe he will be the second this year too | |
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joker
Posts : 96 Join date : 2013-03-05 Age : 52 Function, chapter, country : Josip Kevari, Contact person, Betta Svijet, Croatia
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Mon May 04, 2015 10:35 am | |
| Claire, please do send me the show results list + list of all participants of the Cernier show once ready so that I can add the results to the area 2 point standing for 2015. | |
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Claire Admin
Posts : 305 Join date : 2009-08-02 Age : 66 Location : Switzerland Function, chapter, country : Claire Pavia, President of Swiss Betta Club (SBC), Switzerland
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Thu May 14, 2015 6:59 pm | |
| I just sent it to your Facebook. Sorry for the delay.
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joker
Posts : 96 Join date : 2013-03-05 Age : 52 Function, chapter, country : Josip Kevari, Contact person, Betta Svijet, Croatia
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Fri May 15, 2015 3:06 pm | |
| Here are the points from the show in Cernier: Regular breeders: 180 Eugenio Fornasiero 165 Jolanda Schar 125 Thomas Kren 100 Yeu Vu 95 Christian Jacot 75 Marco Graf 70 Alexandra Breton 60 Jean-Michel Jeannerat 60 Michele Sateri 55 Tho Vu 40 Alberto Montalbetti 30 Didier Ranson 15 Roberto Silverii 5 Jan Sassmann 0 Bertrand Chaffanjeon 0 Valentina Direnzo 0 Christian Mermod
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New Breeders 100 Valerie Rossier Bize 65 Nicole Bergande 45 Marina Monarchon |
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joker
Posts : 96 Join date : 2013-03-05 Age : 52 Function, chapter, country : Josip Kevari, Contact person, Betta Svijet, Croatia
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Fri May 15, 2015 3:21 pm | |
| So, after taking into account the 2 shows held so far, the latest points standing would be as follows: Regular breeders: 455 Joep van Esch 405 Jolanda Schar 330 Eugenio Fornasiero 315 Josip Kevari 280 Thomas Kren 220 Julia Zilken 145 Michel Stokkelaar 135 Alexandra Breton 115 Josef Kanok 115 Jamie King 100 Jean-Michel Jeannerat 100 Yeu Vu 95 Christian Jacot 75 Marco Graf 65 Kristian Draganovic 60 David Bastiaensen 60 Michele Sateri 55 Tho Vu 40 Frantisek Baier 40 Alberto Montalbetti 40 Rainer Winter 30 Liviu Dumitrescu 30 Didier Ranson 25 Andrej Tihomirovic 20 Jolanda Wisseborn 15 Mathias Polzin 15 Andrea Queirolo 15 Roberto Silverii 5 Jan Sassmann 0 Bertrand Chaffanjeon 0 Daniel Dekanek 0 Velentina Direnzo 0 Christian Filbig 0 Christian Mermod 0 Mihai-Gigi Sirbu 0 Gastone Tomei 0 Pierluca Zampardi
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New Breeders 265 Marina Monachon 145 Ines Borgolte 100 Valerie Rossier Bize 90 Bettina Sperl 75 Nicole Bergande 30 Nick in het Veld 10 Marco Graf 0 Edith Wehrli
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Claire Admin
Posts : 305 Join date : 2009-08-02 Age : 66 Location : Switzerland Function, chapter, country : Claire Pavia, President of Swiss Betta Club (SBC), Switzerland
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Fri May 15, 2015 9:55 pm | |
| - joker wrote:
- And what about the second volunteer? Anybody?
After discussion between Josip and me, since we have no more voluntiers, here's what we decided to do: - Josip will be the main registrar for the points. - The show chair at each show will count the points for that show, and this will be the double-checking of Josip's numbers. The "show chair" is the person responsible for the organization of the show, and it's the person who sends the show results, along with a short report (and possible a few photos) to the IBC. Please look here: http://area2chapters.niceboard.org/t91-calculation-of-show-points#659 | |
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Peter Bärwald
Posts : 170 Join date : 2011-01-19 Age : 51 Location : Germany Function, chapter, country : contact person, Kampffischfreunde (KFF), Germany
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Mon May 25, 2015 9:31 am | |
| - joker wrote:
- Peter Bärwald wrote:
- Please do not mix Newbreeder with Regular. Newbreeder must have an own list.
Ok. Let's then separate these two lists:
Regular breeders:
Points Breeder 455 Joep van Esch 315 Josip Kevari 240 Jolanda Schar 220 Julia Zilken 155 Thomas Kren 150 Eugenio Fornasiero 145 Michel Stokkelaar 115 Jamie King 115 Josef Kanok 65 Alexandra Breton 65 Kristian Draganovic 60 David Bastiaensen 40 Frantisek Baier 40 Jean-Michel Jeannerat 40 Rainer Winter 30 Liviu Dumitrescu 25 Andrej Tihomirovic 20 Jolanda Wisseborn 15 Mathias Polzin 15 Andrea Queirolo 0 Daniel Dekanek 0 Pierluca Zampardi 0 Mihai-Gigi Sirbu 0 Gastone Tomei 0 Christian Filbig 0 Roberto Silverii
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Points Breeder 220 Marina Monarchon 145 Ines Borgolte 90 Bettina Sperl 30 Nick in het Veld 10 Marco Graf 10 Nicole Bergande 0 Edith Wehrli
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Hello Josip, I counted all the points to check and I got the same results as you. Many Greetings Peter | |
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joker
Posts : 96 Join date : 2013-03-05 Age : 52 Function, chapter, country : Josip Kevari, Contact person, Betta Svijet, Croatia
| Subject: Re: Area 2 points standing for 2015 Tue May 26, 2015 9:44 am | |
| Here are the points from the show in Ranco: Regular breeders: 750 Jolanda Schar 300 Eugenio Fornasiero 105 Andrej Tihomirovic 100 Michel Stokkelaar 90 Pierluca Zampardi 70 Josip Kevari 70 Julia Zilken 65 Gastone Tomei 55 Roberto Mancuso 50 Arie de Koning 50 Roberto Silverii 45 Jolanda Wisseborn 40 Andrea Queirolo 35 Matteo Grassi 35 Kristian Draganovic 30 Liviu Dumitrescu 30 Jean-Michel Jeannerat 30 Jamie King 20 Joep van Esch 20 Giuseppe Pastorelli 15 Mihai-Gigi Sirbu 10 Massimo Butera 10 Valentina Direnzo 5 Andrea China Gallo 5 Alberto Montalbetti 5 Boris Weber-Schwartz 0 Alexandra Breton 0 Chiara Di Labio 0 Ilaria Tarquini
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New Breeders 125 Veronika Kartsevich 80 Irina Safontseva
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Roberto, can you please calculate these points as well and confirm if your results are the same? Thanks! | |
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